Design Dilemma

This is what it's like today. The white door leads to the garage, and the cabinet built into the wall is a shallow spice cabinet built between the wall studs.

This is what it’s like today. The white door leads to the garage, and the cabinet built into the wall is a shallow spice cabinet built between the wall studs.  The broom closet is the void without a door.

Due to my foot being sliced open about a month ago, I’m still largely benched when it comes to helping out with our ongoing remodel. (Recovery definitely progressing, but slower than some of the optimistic estimates, sadly.)  Nonetheless, I did help Mr PoP hold a measuring tape this weekend, though. Twice!  So yay for progress!

While I’m in no shape to be helping Mr PoP lift or flip our countertop – definitely a two-person job since it’s heavy solid wood over 1.5″ thick, I have been trying to use the time I’ve been spending sitting on my butt thinking through some of the remaining decisions we need to make.  There’s one decision that I can’t seem to come up with a solution to, though. So while I absolutely HATE when people offer unsolicited design advice, today it’s completely solicited.   At least with the caveat that I offer no guarantees that I will like what I hear or follow any of your suggestions.  =P

Today’s Problem: The Broom Closet

First, though, a little history. The corner of our kitchen (between the stove and the door to the garage) has always been somewhat of a cluster in our house. Pre-remodel, it was the case that 3 doors (the refrigerator, the garage, and a bifold pantry door) all opened in the exact same roughly 3 ft x 3 ft area. This drove Mr PoP and I insane for years, so fixing it (we actually ended up moving all three – the pantry, the garage door, and the fridge!) was a top priority when we re-worked our floor plan.

Eventually, we came up with a plan that would leave all doors accessible, while also maximizing storage space. I wrote about that plan to solve our otherworldly problem here.  So, I went ahead and built everything based on the plan. Then we installed the cabinets and I started building and installing doors on said cabinets. And here is where we run into the today’s problem.

As you can see in the picture above, the broom closet is the cabinet that is 2ft deep and 6 feet tall that is between the fridge and the wall. It’s not terribly wide, just 14″. But that’s enough of a space that the fridge doors have no issues hitting the wall when we open them up wide (which was most of the reasoning behind designing a cabinet like this for this location in the first place), and the door to the spice cabinet doesn’t come anywhere near the fridge either.

But it’s a little deep for a relatively thin cabinet, so to prevent having to reach ALL THE WAY to the back for items, I designed a giant pull-out that fits in inside the broom closet. The idea being that we could install hooks in this pull out for items like our step stool, the broom, dustpan, etc.

Please disregard the unmade bed and cat-butt photo bombs.

Please disregard the unmade bed and cat-butt photo bombs.

This is what the pull out looks like. There aren’t any hooks yet installed, but the idea is that inside the “cage”, the stepstool we don’t use frequently would hang nearest to the solid wood panel, and we’d hang smaller hooks from the top for smaller more frequently used items like the broom and dustpan.  This darned pullout is REALLY sturdily built. And it’s designed to be supported by 4 complete sets of 100lb-rated drawer slides. So the only reason it hasn’t yet been finished and put *into* the cabinet is that once it’s in and the slides have locked, I don’t see a reasonable way to get it out. So I want to be REALLY sure before putting it in. =/

I designed a smaller version of this kind of pull out for the small cabinet on top of the broom closet (it’s the same depth and width as the one below), and it’s been so ridiculously useful. So useful in fact that despite Mr PoP’s original assertions that pull-outs were for short lazy weenies with T-Rex arms (I might be putting some words in his mouth there…), he has decided that this single cabinet is his favorite of the entire lot, and he uses it to store his beverages so he can have them nearby and keep the fridge stocked with just one or two at any given time.

Mr PoP's favorite. And apparently he is running low on beer and other beverages. =)

Mr PoP’s favorite cabinet. Apparently he is running low on beer and other beverages. =)

So with that experience, it seems like putting the pull-out in would be a no-brainer. But there’s another small (literally, small) problem…

It’s Clearance, Clarence

In my desire to wring every inch of available space out of our kitchen, I cut the clearance along this wall a little too close. I accounted for a little less than 1/4″ of planned space to go between the sliders and the door to the spice cabinet that is on the wall perpendicular to the broom closet. But what I forgot was that the hinges for the doors prevent the doors from being totally flush. So the hinges on the spice cabinet door eat up about 1/8″ of that space.

That’d be okay if that were the only issue (as it is for the pull-out above on Mr PoP’s favorite cabinet). But the dummies that installed the drywall (i.e. us) actually ended up causing a tiny bit of bowing in the wall that starts to eat into that (now reduced to <1/8″) clearance between the broom closet pull-out slides and the spice cabinet door. My gut says it’s from taping the drywall seams, but we’re also not drywall experts and it really is a very small amount of bowing (but *just* enough to be a pain in the rear).

A drawer slide and a spice cabinet door meet...

A drawer slide and a spice cabinet door meet…

So these slides end up nicking the spice cabinet door when they are pulled out. A slight bump to the pull-out, which you can imagine could easily happen when hanging up the stool after using it, could easily cause a ding to the spice cabinet door.

Something’s Got to Go

Since the broom closet pull out doesn’t work with the spice cabinet door, one of them has got to go.

Option #1 – Get rid of the broom closet pull out. This is pretty much how we’ve been using the space up until now. Items fit in, but it ends up not being all that organized and stuff ends up falling to the bottom or the back. So it’s usable, just not ideal. The thing is, I really freaking like this pull-out. I was so proud when I built it that I lined up the grains of the pieces of plywood to match.

Look at how I tried to match the grains!

Look at how I tried to match the grains!

It’s also so freaking solidly built that Mr PoP has joked that it (among a few other cabinets) would be both an excellent hiding spot for hide-and-seek, as well as a very sturdy emergency shelter in the case of a hurricane. (Mostly joking about the hurricane, but these freaking cabinets are SOLID!)

So the idea of dismantling it and throwing it away is tough.  Although I suppose this is the way I’ve been leaning, I’ve been wishy-washy enough on it that this giant pull-out has been sitting in our bedroom for months while I ponder its fate. Even today I still don’t know it.

Option #2 – Get rid of the spice cabinet door. Before the spice cabinet had a door, friends commented on how neat it was that we could see all of our spices all the time, so we have considered this. But there are a couple things that make me hesitate.

Non-matching spices.

Non-matching spices offend Mr PoP’s design sesnsibilities.

(1) Mr PoP would want me to put our spices in little matchy containers to make it look more uniform if the spice cabinet didn’t have a door. On the surface, this sounds fairly reasonable. Pretty little containers can be had for not too much money. Though I’d have to buy extras since I’d have to account for both breakage and possible expansion in the variety of spices currently available in my spice cabinet. Annoying, but doable. What I think Mr PoP doesn’t think about though, is that I’m the one that uses the spices, and the primary reason that our containers are not uniformly sized or shaped is because we (okay, I) use them in different ways and at different rates. The whole purpose of having a spice cabinet like this was to make finding and using my spices easier (since before I had to dig through a traditional upper cabinet to find a spice). The idea of having to constantly be refilling tiny jars and storing larger containers of some spices (I literally buy cinnamon by the lb because I use so much of it!) elsewhere seems to contradict my dream of an easy to use spice cabinet.

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What color would you paint the inside of the spice cabinet? Would that change if I painted the door teal-ish?

(2) The wood inside the spice cabinet is currently birch plywood with a few coats of spar-urethane, the coloring of which will NOT AT ALL match the cherry countertops that will (my left foot willing…) be installed soon. While it’s definitely possible to strip/sand and paint the interior of the darned thing, it’s neither going to be easy or pleasant to do that, much less undo it and get it back the way it was should we change our minds. So I want to be sure before going that route. Not to mention, the question of what color would we paint the inside of it? The walls are a light blue called “Seaside”, the cabinet frames and doors are all a dark white/light grey called “Simple White”, the trim is a bright white called “Clean White” (which would show every spec of spilled spice!), and (though Mr PoP doesn’t know it yet) I’m secretly dreaming of painting the door to the garage a brighter, more saturated blue or teal. Just for a little pop of fun color. =) So I honestly don’t know what color I would aim to paint the inside of the spice cabinet.

Imagine the spice cabinet door gone, and the door to the garage possibly teal-ish. What color would you envision the inside of the spice cabinet being?

Honestly, I was ready to give up on the pull-out this weekend. I was about ready to hobble* to the garage to grab the drill to start the dismantling process when I ran my plan past Mr PoP and he asked if I was sure. Turned out, I wasn’t sure. But I’ve literally been going back and forth on this for at least a couple of months now and am nowhere closer to a solution.

 

Internet – can you help!?! What would you do if this were your kitchen?

 

*hobble = “walking” very very slowly without crutches over short distances. I’m still using a crutch occasionally as, well, a crutch, when we attempt evening walks of ~1/2 mile. But getting a little better almost every day!

68 comments to Design Dilemma

  • Tara

    What about making a smaller pull out insert? Would that work? Or would you still have same problem?

    • I could make a smaller pull-out and use spacers to move the sliders over. It’d be a pain in the butt to do, so it’s not really been one of my top choices. =)

  • Could you pad the ends of the pull out insert so that they wouldn’t damage the spice cabinet if the two collide a little? I’m thinking some foam or something glued on that could be replaced as it breaks down over time.

  • I’d consider making the back of the spice cabinet be a mirror. That way, the cabinet would look more like a window to the outside (like the door next to it), and it would reflect all the colors of your kitchen, even years down the road when you end up repainting.

    Additionally, it would make the cabinet even lighter inside, meaning making it even easier to see your spices.

    I, too, love the pullouts. Way to go on those!
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    • The mirror idea is neat! The garage door and the spice cabinet are pretty much both right across the room from the window that is over the kitchen sink. We don’t get a ton of direct light through that window due to the 12′ patio overhang right outside the window, but we do get a decent amount of indirect light that would be reflected by a mirror.

      Thanks!
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  • I would get rid of the spice cabinet door. For color scheme I’d either do white background with stained shelves (if the door is teal) or pop of color background with white shelves (if the door stays white).

  • I love the idea of the pull-out for the broom closet…so much that it will likely be in the plans when I redesign our laundry room. This would take a little bit of work, but how about rebuilding the spice cabinet door to be inset?

    • I’ve never built an inset door, so I’m definitely going to have to look up how different it would be from what I’ve gotten used to, and what kinds of hinges I’d need.

      The face frame on the spice cabinet is 1.5″ wide all around, so the inset door would sit inside that opening. Do you think it’d be weird that it’d be the only inset cabinet door in the entire house?
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      • You would make it basically the same way as the rest of the doors, just size it about 1/8″ less than the width and height of the opening to give yourself about a 1/16″ gap all the way around. You can find inset hinges at a local hardware store or on wwhardware.com where I get a lot of hardware.

        Regarding it being the only inset door, you normally wouldn’t want to mix and match but the style of door you went with is great for an inset application and I don’t think it would look bad at all. It will also build your skills as an inset door can be a tricky thing to fit correctly and in the same respect, it will be something to be proud of (as if building an entire kitchen isn’t enough to be proud of). You can do it!

        • Thanks for the vote of confidence! Mr PoP wants me to do some really careful measurements before committing to an inset door, but it’s definitely piqued my interest. =)
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  • Thank you guys so much for the ideas! Please keep them coming! =)
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  • Jenna

    Can you design a door that will be flush to the wall for the spice cabinet? A pocket door? A door that’s thinner? Or a wooden shade or some other contraption that can be pulled from the top? You’d have to go back in and recess the shelves, but it might be worth it.

  • Jason

    I like the spice cabinet door. Think about how much work it will be to keep the containers clean (some spices like paprika can be hard to keep clean. Plus, it is nice to close and forget it, rather than to stare at that big a bunch of exposed things.

    I assume that you are going to face the pull out front like you will eventually complete for the drawers to the left of the fridge? or are you going to make it a cabinet door? For simplicity, I think just facing the pull out will be easier…

    If so, I would suggest using a thin strip of wood between the sliding mounts to give you the clearance you need for the face to clear the door to the spice cabinet.

    Another option is to re-work the spice cabinet storage completely. For example. You could ditch the spice cabinet, sheet rock over the hole and paint to match. Then, you can build a shelf in the front part of the broom closet to store the spices. Then when needed, you pull out the broom closet/spice storage, access things and put back…this won’t be a great option if you plan on storing cleaning supplies in that closet, as you don’t want to mix the two IMO.

    final option would be to fix the bow in the sheetrock so things fit as cabinets were originally designed.

    Frankly, I’m not a huge fan of the spice cabinet aesthetically (even with the door closed). If you have other places to store the spices, I would remove it entirely and if possible put some art there…

    • So even if I keep the pull out, it’s going to have to be a door in front of it, rather than just attaching a face like what will happen with the various drawers. The main reason being the spice cabinet since a face (if I made it the same width as the cabinet above – though I guess I could redo that one…) would hit the spice cabinet if it just pulled straight out perpendicular to the spice cabinet. Just the face frame for the spice cabinet sticks out from the wall between 3/4″ and 7/8″ depending where you’re measuring it. The face frame of the broom closet is only 1.5″ thick, so if I want to attach a face that will go around the spice cabinet (and the door), it likely wouldn’t cover the entire opening of the broom closet.

      And that brings up another thing that I should have written about. Part of me is wondering if I want to open a door AND pull out a big pull-out every time I want a broom. Admittedly that’s not super often (since I hate sweeping and we have a roomba), but it’s definitely crossed my mind.
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  • Jason

    Also, sorry post sounded a little negative. As we’ve discussed offline, I’m a big fan of the work you’ve done on those cabinets, especially considering this is among your first ww projects!

  • Could you potentially put something on the floor of the broom cupboard to stop it from going out 100%? Maybe screw in a thin piece of wood that would stop the wheels at 95%?
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  • Jacq

    Can you flip the hinge on the spice cabinet? It might be awkward, but that slide out is gorgeous! Also if you flip the hinge, you could notch into the door frame as a finger pull, but secretly clearance for the slide out?
    I think with a teal garage door, the back of the cabinet being one of your shades of white might be nice, if you get rid of the door. If you keep the door, you could paint the inside teal to match the garage door.

    • ha! Flipping the door around was one of the first things Mr PoP and I talked about doing, but we thought it’d be too kludgy. Every time you’d need to grab something from the broom closet you’d need to first open the spice cabinet, then the broom closet door, then the pull out. =P It’s definitely the easiest solution (symmetry of the door style means it would be a quick flip!), but I think it’s off the table for shear annoyance factor long term.
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  • I’m not sure about the logistics of it, but what about using some sort of sliders on the back of the spice cabinet door, so it slides in the opposite direction? It would be a slight pain, having to first slide out the spice door before pulling out the broom pull-out, but it’s doable.

    Another possibility, if you’re crafty and decide to remove the door, would be to create pretty labels for all of your spices. Obviously you’d have to make them all different sizes, to go with the different sizes of the containers. But then they’d coordinate, without having to be dumping spices into smaller containers (which would be a mess in itself!). And you could just print a new sticker when you buy a new/replace a spice.

    And if it makes you feel better, when I remodeled my kitchen, I didn’t account for how the knobs of the stove would block the spice drawer that was perpendicular. I could open the drawer just enough to get the spices at the front of the drawer. But if I wanted something farther back, I’d have to remove 1-2 knobs from the stove to pull the drawer out farther. Not the end of the world, but something I could have easily adjusted for in my plan if I’d have known in time!

    • Hmmm, I think I see where you’re going with this. And as cool as sliding doors are (I looked into trying to put them on our pantry initially!), the idea of still having to open 2 doors and a pull-out to get at the broom or dustpan strikes us as pretty wrong. Also the slider would hit the little brown key holder between the spice cabinet and the door to the garage. Because that’s actually got a hard-wired button built into the center so I can open and shut the garage without opening the door to the garage (another “must have” item on my list of remodel requests), it’s not really something we can easily relocated.
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  • Invisible door! Door inset into the wall, painted the same color as the wall, with just a thin border around the edge to indicate that something is there. Maybe there’s not even a handle and it just pops out when you press it.

    • Hmmm, the door inset into the face frame of the spice cabinet is definitely a possibility. But I don’t see a way to get around having the spice cabinet face frame, so there’ll always be a little something that sticks out from the wall. Not quite as futuristic, but out house isn’t really all that futuristic in design anyhow. =P
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  • Sue

    I like Norm’s invisible door idea because it also makes the space look a little less busy, but for something requiring less work (but perhaps more on-going annoyance), could you rehang the spice cabinet door so it opens the other way, and then get into the habit of opening it before you use the pull-out broom closet? I think someone above mentioned sliders, but I think your door is on hinges already. This is assuming you are more worried about damaging the door than the frame?

    • Rehanging it to open the other way would (short term) be the easiest solution, but it’s also so awkward that it’s not what we want to have long term. Always havning to remember to open that door first would be bad enough for us, but if we rented the house ever (a possibility since we’re planning on doing some travel someday and have no plans to dump the house when we do), it’d be tough for renters to remember to do the same thing. =P
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  • Seriously, thank you so much for all the comments, everyone! They have provided such food for thought and are helping us look at this problem in new ways. And if you have more ideas, please do let us know. =)
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  • If you have penzeys in Florida you could start buying spices there. Eventually you will end up with uniform spice exteriors. (They have different inner lids based on usage.)
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  • Erin

    Your work on your reno is amazing, I have huge respect for what you’ve done. That being said, I’m also not a fan of the aesthetic (in the picture above) of the spice cabinet. I think it’s something about trying to match with the other cabinet doors, in the middle of a wall. I would suggest an inset door but I would also suggest another kind of door, don’t try to match the other cabinetry. Maybe the mirror faux window door, maybe some art, I think you have a lot of options. But if you go inset, you can then pull out your other cabinet.

  • Jeff D

    I would take off the door and frame, then use a contact paper of your choosing to face the back and paint the shelves the same color as the garage door. Second option would be to plane down the width of the pull out and shim the difference so the sliders miss the door. This type of stuff usually falls under the executive decision of my wife. Since this is you in this case, we’ll all just have to wait and see what you decide

    • contact paper!?! That had definitely not occurred to me at all. What a good idea! That would be a way we could “test” seeing what it would look like painted without doing all the work!

      As for planing the pull out… it wouldn’t really work for the existing one since it would be ripping the outside layers off of some plywood to do that. If I want to shrink the pull-out, I’ve pretty much got to build a whole new one, mostly from scratch since parts of this one can’t be taken apart from one another without ruining them (due to me filling in and then varnishing over pocket holes in some spots).
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  • Is having a thinner pull out out of the question? You could add a small fixed “padding” to the right, and make the pull out maybe a couple of centimeters thinner, in order for it not hit the spice cabinet door. I would not go without a door for my cabinet either, seeing the mess in there would drive me bonkers.

    Also, if the pull out hits the cabinet door at a reasonable place, you could opt to make the spice cabinet smaller and have a half door, half no door situation. The half with no door could be used to for a display of pretty baubles. Some pink coral item to go with the teal door? Or an aquarium :).

    • A thinner pull out is not out of the question, just would take a lot of effort to build it. And some wood that I (surprisingly) don’t have enough of at the current moment. =P

      Interesting thought with the half and half idea for the spice cabinet, but not really for us. 1 – We’re not much for baubles, and 2 – I have way too many spices to fit in just half a cabinet. (I actually had to lay out all of my spices before I built this thing to make sure I was making it big enough for them all!)
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  • Debi

    I like the idea of no door on the spice cabinet. When I cook it seems like my hands are either dirty or drippy when I need to pull something out of the spice cabinet. That leads to a splattered door that needs frequent wiping. Wish I had the wall space in the kitchen to put an inset cabinet into the wall like you did. I also like the mirror in the open cabinet idea.

    • FWIW, our cabinets will all get knobs and drawer pulls to help keep them clean. We have them, but I’ve been postponing putting them on pending getting more doors and drawer faces on everything.
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      • Debi

        I have handles too, but still many drips and splashes! If you do leave them open I like the idea of either matching the color of the door to the garage or picking a shade from the same array 2 steps lighter.

  • I love your blog!! And you go girl for the built by you cabinetry! I think that is so amazing.

    I love this mirror idea above. I use ball mason jars (the pint size) for my spices and I love them. They generally don’t break if you bounce one off the floor, they are reasonably priced and look great on a shelf. You can print labels off the internet to put on the top of the lids or the front of the jars.

    I wouldn’t give up that awesome sliding built in. Love it!

    • I use mason jars all the time (and have more than once been grateful that they seem to have at least one bounce in them before breaking). =)

      I think we have so many spices I’d have to use smaller jars than pint ones for a lot of my spices, if I went that route. But the little 4 oz ones are pretty adorable! And they have matching 8oz (and I think 16oz) ones that would take care of the spices that I use more of regularly.
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  • Julia

    I like no door, you could do nice bars across the shelves to keep the spice bottles in place and pretty. I think the door looks a little goofy by itself on the wall. Or a mirror/art like others suggested.

    • The little bars seems pretty doable, but I’m not sure it’d really be necessary. Before this thing had a door, we were using it for at least 6 months with the spices just hanging out on the shelves without falling out. The spice cabinet is not really in an area where you’ll accidentally brush up against it and knock something off, and Kitty PoP was never once interested in playing with anything there, so I think the risk of stuff falling from an open cabinet is pretty minimal.
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  • Papa POP

    While it would be a problem doing so while the door is together, you could plane 1/4′ off the inside frame of the door. Or, for that matter 1/8″ off the inside and 1/8″ off the outside of the frame, if 1/4″ is too much off the inside given the placement of the grove in the frame.

    • Yeah, the door is just a tad too wide to go through the planer that we bought in one piece! =)

      The problem with planing things down or rebuilding the door with thinner wood is that the cup that I bored out for the hinges is about 5/8 deep at its deepest. So there’s not really 1/4″ of thickness to be shaved off on one side or the other without the hinges poking through. Maybe other hinges don’t require cup-holes to be quite as deep? I’d have to do some research. The one I used needed 7/16 for the full cup, and then the Forstner bit I used drilled out a small portion probably ~ 3/16 deep beyond that. I can show you next time you’re over and see what you think!
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  • soners

    I’d say inset door. And, if possible, can you go any thinner on your trim? You have 1/2″ up now? 1/4″ isn’t ideal but it could work.

    That or rebuild your slide out to be a half inch skinnier–easier said than done I’m sure.

    • What do you mean by trim- the face frame on the spice cabinet? That’s actually 3/4″ thick, swapping it out would require ripping the spice cabinet completely out and basically rebuilding. Way beyond the scope of what I’m contemplating. =)

      “That or rebuild your slide out to be a half inch skinnier–easier said than done I’m sure.” Haha, pretty much everything in woodworking is that way!
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  • I wish I had something to offer. I am a bit designed challenge but had to remark how awesome it is that you are able to fit some much into your kitchen. I love it. Thanks for sharing and I can’t wait to see what you end up doing!!!
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    • Thanks, Mustard Seed Money! I’d be lying if I said fitting so much into a relatively small place wasn’t one of the main drivers behind doing it ourselves. Standard cabinets would have left us with gaps that we could have covered with trim, but would have cost us precious inches of storage. =P

  • Julie

    Frosted glass door, also inset?

    Can you move the hinges inward on the frame? Like with shims or small pieces of wood, this moving the whole door over a bit? It sounds like you need a very small amount of room for clearance. This might make the face frame uneven, but you may or may not notice, or could adjust the face frame slightly with planing.

    Or simpler- move the whole frame/door setup over and have it be slightly off on the inside? I’m not sure I know how it was constructed or if this is possible?

    As a cook, I’d like my spices out of the light, and wouldn’t want to dust the bottles.

    • Well, the pull out actually needs about 6″ of space along the front of the spice cabinet, so it’s not just something where we could scooch the door over 1/2″ or something and be good. =( But that would have been awesome!

      The glass is an interesting idea for the spice cabinet door… We’re planning on having some “feature glass” in the upper doors of our pantry, so I’ll have to keep that in mind when figuring out exactly what this inset door might look like. =)
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  • Kathy

    What if you took off the door and then attached trim to the actual shelves, then the molding would cover the most of the mismatched spice containers but would still allow you to get them in and out easily. The short row of spices would get lost in the shuffle though……

  • Jonathan

    I have three ideas involving modifying the pull-out (don’t mess with the spice cabinet door). I’m not sure how much clearance you need but I’m assuming it’s less than 1/4 inch.

    Option 1: cut quarter inch deep dados on the back of the pull out and neat the drawer slides in them, then space the slides out one quarter inch with shims inside the broom cupboard. You lose a bit of the sturdiness of the pull out but it should still be plenty strong. The lowest slide doesn’t need adjusting because it is below the spice cabinet door.

    Option 2: try undermount sliders plus one or two side mount slides that are lower than the spice cabinet door.

    Option 3: modify the pull-out to be a bit narrower and then follow the steps in option 1 (minus the dados)

    Good luck!

    • Oooh, option 1 may be a possibility. I’ll need to look closely at what screw holes I filled with wood filler to make sure I could get all the pieces I needed off to cut the dados, and take some measurements as to how much I’d be leaving behind as full thickness by the time I dado out the width of the slide (not only the thin part that will attach to the pull out, but the larger part that it will slide into that will also need clearance.)

      For #2 – Have you ever used undermount slides? Any recommendations? I didn’t see a ton with great reviews when I was looking (though admittedly I was looking for >22″ ones.).
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  • Jonathan

    I have not used undermount slides, so I can’t say how they may work.

    As another alternative, you could put two of the standard slides on the front (left) side of the pull-out at the very top and very bottom. You could even add a rail about 16 inches up on the open side for a third slide on the front (in addition to slides on the back and/or bottom per Option #2). Brooms would have to be angled in, but it would still be plenty functional I suspect.

    • So I’ve been thinking a lot about your comments… I actually already have 2 slides on the left (one at the top, one at the bottom). The bottom two on the right are below the spice cabinet door. Do you think I’d be okay without any slides on the upper part of the right side? I put something ridiculous like 4 pairs (so 8 total slides) of slides where each pair is rated to 100lb capacity. So maybe I’m okay just taking out all the ones that would interfere with the spice cabinet door and relying on two left (top and bottom) and two right (bottom and second to bottom ~10″ up)? What do you think?

  • Would hanging the spice cabinet door from the other side (on the right) give you more clearance?
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    • That’s totally an option, but it would mean that every time we wanted something out of the broom closet, we’d need to open the spice cabinet, then the broom closet door, then slide out the pull-out. That would drive me nuts!

  • I dont comment too much but i only wants to say that i really like your blog and spice cabinet

  • Did you guys make a decision about this?

    One suggestion that I don’t see (but may have missed): would it be possible to use stock for the door that’s slightly thinner than the other doors? It looks like the slides are just BARELY about to hit it. What if the door itself were a hair thinner?
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